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So, um, Alexander.



Anyway! Tess and I went to see Alexander today. Can I start out by expressing my deep joy of the fact that we saw it together and not with non-fandom, non-slashers? Very well then.

I think the movie by and large got unreasonably bad critique. Colin wasn't as great as one might have hoped, and yes, it did drag a little around the battle in India. And oh, what the fuck was up with Anthony Hopkins? Pshaw. Could have done without that, though, of course, it did allow dear Mr. Stone to put in one unanswered conspiracy. Good for you, Oliver!

Making It Easier: a quick character run through

Alexander - played by Colin Farrell (and Jessie Kamm and Connor Paolo) who did an average job with fairly average lines will no doubt get nominated for an Oscar. Had awesome chemistry with Olympias (disturbing) and Hephaestion (woobie!love). I liked the younger version of him better (Connor Paolo); that was an adorable kid and he acted really well. Also looked like the love child of Dominic Monaghan and Colin Farrell. Boy will grow up to be hella pretty.

Olympias - played by Angelina Jolie who would like an Oscar to add to her shelf. And deserves one, if you ask me. She was hot, sexy, pretty and damn creepy; she was obviously manipulative of all around her, devoted to her son even as she exploited him to her gain. Believes she's related to Achilles. Gods, she was awesome.

Phillip - played by Val Kilmer. Had majorly creepy scene in caves which was also quite awesome. Generally a bastard, though also quite well respected. Married a Greek princess, Euraydice, who bore him a son. Was killed quite early in Alexander's life (in a rather confusing and ill-placed flashback).

Ptolemy - played by Anthony Hopkins. Narrator of the story. Mostly piss irritating to the point where I repeatedly wanted to tell him to shut up. Fought along side Alexander and later got Egypt, after Alexander's death.

Hephaestion - played by Jared Leto. Had me reconsidering my lesbianism for a few moments there. Very pretty. Obviously in love with Alexander. Didn't get to do much else than be in love with Alexander. Looked too pretty while dying.

Roxane - played by Roasario Dawson. Spent a good deal of her screen time nekkid. Almost raped by Alexander, almost killed Alexander. Obviously, it's love. However, Dawson did well with what little character was attributed to her.

Bagoas - played by Fransisco Bosch. Always in the background. Very good dancer. Alexander's lover and gets on screen Alex!kiss. Eunuch. More furniture than actual character.

Aristotle - played by Christopher Plummer. There to give us a lesson on love, life and to do a whole lotta Alex/Heph foreshadowing. Also there so Alexander can ridicule him for the rest of the movie. First showed us map of lands later conquered by Alexander. Also mentioned multiple times in my math book.

Stateira - played by Annelise Hesme. Mostly here because she caused the cutest line ever said and because she herself was very, very cute. Persian Princess.

Band of merry men - played by various. Prominent friends and leaders of Alexander's army who I can't be bothered to list. Split up his empire when he dies. Strange, mutinous flock.

Familial Relations: Or Medea and Oedipus

Hello, big stick of Oedipal complex. Was thwacked repeatedly by same. Down to his choice of wife, Alex is constantly attracted and repelled by his mother. They had frightening amounts of chemistry, which was both wrong and hot. Alexander is very obviously manipulated by his mother, and pulled in different directions by her and his father. She teaches him about strength, ruthlessness and snakes (no, seriously). Olympias dislikes almost all of Alexander's friends, disapproves of his choice of wife and semi-condones Hephaestion, though seems jealous of him in the beginning. She apparently had sex with Zeus, for she tells Alexander that he is the son of same. Best scene with them? The scene after Phillip's death, where they kiss. It's fucked up, but awesome and so well acted out. Olympias' reaction to Alexander's death was also incredible.

His father, Phillip, drinks too much, almost rapes his mother at one point and teaches him about mythology. My favourite scene with them is the cave scene, where Phillip explains the myths double-sided weapons of suffering and greatness. Val Kilmer scares me. Alexander and Phillip have an argument about Phillip's new marriage which ends with Phillip trying to disown Alexander.

Olympias and Phillip have a very strained relationship. Mostly because they hate each other. He marries a younger woman, because he learned NOTHING from reading Medea. She and he are subsequently killed, we are lead to believe, by Olympias.

Alexander has a sister whom we never see and he's very close with his horse, whom he was the only one who could tame.

But Didn't He Do Some Battle, Conquer Some Stuff?: And then there was blood

Bloody hell. Literally. Lots of blood, lots of impressive large scale scenes. Not completely LoTR greatness, but good. Oliver Stone gets weird during the battle in India, which is sort of cool, but also vaguely disturbing. The slow-mo Horse/Elephant battle scene was too long, drawn out.

The huge battle against Darius was interesting, a lot of focus on tatics, which was cool. Lots of blood. Lots of blood. A little bit of mutiny there.

I didn't pay enough attention to those scenes, I can see. Well, good excuse for a second veiwing.

What Was Up With The Hat?: or how to fight an Asian land war

I don't know. Honestly, if I were to try and take over Asia, I wouldn't wear a poncy hat that really obviously makes me a target. I also wouldn't fight in the desert. And I'd try to make my men stand out so I didn't accidently kill them. Just a thought.

Dude, The Slash!: or how subtlety sometimes is much hotter than explicitness

Oh. My. Goodness. Alex/Heph was so adorable and lovely. Their lines, and the way Hephaestion looked at him, and the massage scene and just, guh. I don't even mind that there weren't any explicitly shown kiss (there was one implied kiss on the hand, and a rather obvious kiss before Roxane entered). It was sexy. Sexy, I tell you. I could go on and on; tell you about the sweetness of their lines, the wonderful mythological hints, the obvious adoration, the intimacy, but you should go see it for yourselves. Go. Now.

There's also a good deal of text between Bagoas and Alexander. What?

So, Complete Waste Of Time?:

Not in the least. Much better than Troy, and I know a lot of you enjoyed that (then again, I really rather dislike it, so I may not be the most reliable source). So go, see. It is a little too long, and not all of it is perfect and wow, is the het sex scene disturbing and wrong, but it's good. It's fun and I can't wait for the DVD. It does have it's ridiculously over dramatic moments, flashbacks illy placed and some of it's themes are eye-rolling, but visually it's interesting, the acting is above average and the romance is so sweet. There are some lingual anachronisms, of course, but there's also an awesome use of art. Oh, and Sofie? Watch for the different languages in the beginning!

And hey, who knew the Macedonians spoke with Irish accents?

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Date: 2004-11-28 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shubassdk.livejournal.com
Chris, you just captured the whole movie, right there. I felt all of these things, but I couldn't for the life of me remember it all, afterwards! I'm saving this to Memories right now!

Oh, and the part you wrote about the love between Alexander and Hephaistion? Made me all warm inside, all over.

I really want to see it again...

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Date: 2004-11-28 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
So much iconlove, seriously.

And hee, thanks!

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Date: 2004-11-30 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shubassdk.livejournal.com
Totally! *hugs new icon*

This post is pimped, but you know that already...

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Date: 2004-12-03 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
Hey, Tess, did you notice that Pausinias (the man who killed Phillip) was also the boy getting raped/hurt in one of the early party scenes? The one where Phillip ribs at Alexander's self-pity and Hephaistion is all possesive!Boyfriend? Pausinias is hanging onto Phillip from behind, and then later you see him, with his tunic up, in front of Phillip. Do you think Oliver Stone meant us to remember that and take that as part of his willingness to betray Phillip and kill him+

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Date: 2004-12-03 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shubassdk.livejournal.com
No, I not notice that (bad Teresa!!)! I'm not really sure what to think of it. I think if we were to remember him, then they'd have said his name or made a head shot of him. But it is possible! Very possible!

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Date: 2004-12-03 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
But he is named at that point, that's why I remember it. Hm. Will have to note it when I go see it tomorrow. (not a fandom at all. Not in the least)

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Date: 2004-12-03 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shubassdk.livejournal.com
They say his name? I didn't even notice! I guess I was preoccupied with the *squee!*-ing. Heh, I'm also going to see it tomorrow. (shush, you!)

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Date: 2004-12-03 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
Oooh, who are you seeing it with?

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Date: 2004-12-03 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shubassdk.livejournal.com
My dad, his brother from Jutland and his two children, who are here for the weekend . I convinced them that the only place to see it, was Imperial. Heh... *is ev0l*

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Date: 2004-12-03 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
I hate you just a little bit. I hope you know that.

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Date: 2004-12-04 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shubassdk.livejournal.com
No, you really don't. Because I am the only person in the world who, even though I am constantly evil, everyone can't help but love. Yes, I am that cute!

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Date: 2004-12-04 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
Tragic, yet almost true.

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Date: 2004-12-04 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shubassdk.livejournal.com
Almost? Pah! (that was supposed to sound like Ptolemy in the end of the movie)

*cough*

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Date: 2004-12-03 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
Oh, and do you have any idea where people are getting their screencaps from?

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Date: 2004-12-03 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shubassdk.livejournal.com
I don't think there are any good versions of the movie out on the net, yet, so I think people have random trailers and still pictures. I don't know where to get them, though...

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Date: 2004-11-29 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thewayout.livejournal.com
I enjoyed the movie intensely. The BATTLE itself in India was wonderful, but all the garbage leading up to it succeeded in making me hate Alexander. I actually hated him for about half of the movie. At least after he married Roxanna.

I also think that if any of the Alex/Heph thing would have been onscreen, it would have taken away from the intensity that the pairing had. You knew it was going on, but you didn't see it, and that was fine, because they were GOOD together.

I enjoyed the scene between Alexander and Olympias after Philip's death much too much. Because that was possibly the most sizzling chemistry on the screen, possibly even better than that of Colin and Jared. And her scene at the very end, when she sees the eagle (or wtf ever) drop the snake, and she drops to her knees.... god, that was good. That was very good. Angelina completely deserves an Oscar for this performance.

I loved the movie. I thought it was fantastic. Yeah, it was probably a little long (I could have done without some of the stuff in India), but I think it all needed to be in there, really.

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Date: 2004-11-29 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] -hiddenwolf-.livejournal.com
About the 'hat', Alexander did wear a helmet like that, that his men to be able to see him during battle.

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Date: 2004-11-30 02:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lattara.livejournal.com
feck. *damn* you, you know I have to see it now, if only to see the languages at the start! Blah.

But, ooooh. I love me some Alexander/Hephaiston subtext.

(sidenote: anyone know why the name Hephaiston has been changed from the masculine form - Hephaistos - which was the name of Zeus' and Hera's son to the neuter form Hephaiston? Because I have no clue.)

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Date: 2004-11-30 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shubassdk.livejournal.com
Chris and I agreed that it wasn't subtext; it was supertext. Because in comparison to CSI, HP or any other subtexty fandoms, this is really really a lot stronger. The puppy dog-eyes, the "I can't live without you"'s, the "you're my everything"'s...*dreams*

Uhm...what was it I was talking about? *cough*

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Date: 2004-11-30 03:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lattara.livejournal.com
seeeeex.

At least as I see it.

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Date: 2004-11-30 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shubassdk.livejournal.com
Well, there's no actual sex. But the way Hephaistion looks at Alexander, it's practically the same thing. But, God I wish there'd been sex. I think it'd be followed by a mental shutdown of my brain or something.

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Date: 2004-11-30 03:53 pm (UTC)
ext_12785: A woman in a white dress, facing the camera, while the sunlight reflects off of the lens (Default)
From: [identity profile] lattara.livejournal.com
You asked what you were talking about? And I merely summarized it.

*coughs*

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Date: 2004-11-30 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
I think we may have spontaneously combusted.

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Date: 2004-11-30 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shubassdk.livejournal.com
Oh, totally! And we'd have said loads of weird stuff, you would have shrieked (because I'm too shy to actually *squeee* in public) and people would think we were mad. But that had been okay, because we had seen GAY SEX IN IMPERIAL! AND IN A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE! OMG that had been the greatest thing ever! And nekkid Hephaistion!!

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Date: 2004-12-01 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
And it would have been the greatest thing. EVA!

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Date: 2004-11-30 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
My work here is done *bows*

What Tess said.

No idea, but now I want to know, damn you. Well, maybe it's in the notes for Fire from Heaven, which by the way is *so* adorable and well written. gah!

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Date: 2004-11-30 05:36 pm (UTC)
ext_12785: A woman in a white dress, facing the camera, while the sunlight reflects off of the lens (Default)
From: [identity profile] lattara.livejournal.com
Grrr. Argh. *pokes you with a poky stick*

Heee! I have that effect on people.

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Date: 2004-12-03 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
It couldn't be the latin version of his name, could it? Like Alexander is the romanized version of Alexandros?

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Date: 2004-12-03 08:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lattara.livejournal.com
I don't believe it is. For one thing, they ususally used the Greek endings, only a little modyfied. And for the other, the is no such ending as "-on" in Latin (that I'm aware of).

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Date: 2004-12-03 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
Well, then I am out of ideas! Perhaps his parents just preferred the neautral version?

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Date: 2004-12-03 09:04 pm (UTC)
ext_12785: A woman in a white dress, facing the camera, while the sunlight reflects off of the lens (Default)
From: [identity profile] lattara.livejournal.com
That would be ... odd. Neuter is used about things, and beings without gender, and nouns that are seen as a group (don't ask). I'd imagine that using the name in the neuter gender would "castrate" him - something I'm sure his parents didn't intend.

Of course, I could be blowing smoke out of my ass.

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Date: 2004-12-03 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
*giggles* I'd hope not. That seems to be Bagoas job.

*shutting up now*

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Date: 2004-12-04 10:17 am (UTC)
ext_12785: A woman in a white dress, facing the camera, while the sunlight reflects off of the lens (Default)
From: [identity profile] lattara.livejournal.com
Oh, Chris. Next time you say something about my having a dirty mind? I'll be reminding you of this.

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Date: 2004-12-09 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wax-jism.livejournal.com
Hephaistion means 'son of Hephaistos,' I think. if you read the iliad, it's full of those names. like, they call Zeus, 'Chronion' as in 'son of Chronos' and so forth.

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Date: 2004-12-09 02:48 pm (UTC)
ext_12785: A woman in a white dress, facing the camera, while the sunlight reflects off of the lens (Default)
From: [identity profile] lattara.livejournal.com
Really? Because I though such names were created differently, like Chroneid etc. But thank you!

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Date: 2004-12-09 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wax-jism.livejournal.com
You can do that too. I think both works. Er. I'm sure there are subtle nuance differences.

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Date: 2004-12-09 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
But in the sense of Hephaistos the god? Because Hephaistion's father was Amyta(s/r), as far as I know...

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Date: 2004-12-10 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wax-jism.livejournal.com
I imagine they named people stuff like that (at this time) as hopeful parents. In the sense of 'may he be TOTALLY like Hephaistos, that is, WAY COOL.' You know?

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Date: 2004-12-10 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampirespider.livejournal.com
Hee! Yeah, that does make sense. Thank you!

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