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[ink_splotch]

In the newspaper today, there's an debate about the artifical insemination of lesbians and single women, which is interesting for three reasons:

1. Using the phrase "lay back, spread your legs and think about the homeland" seriously. Granted, about how lesbian women should just find a random man and do as above, but it still made me giggle.

2. Mentioning mpreg. And the slipperly slope theory

3. In all seriousness suggesting that giving lesbian the right to artificial insemination is discriminating. Against men. Because see, if women can just get inseminated without all that mess with a man, wouldn't she? And so we can conclude that if women can have babies without men ---> men will disappear from the face of the earth. Yeah. I'm just getting to let that stay there for a while. Read it again. Wonder at the indisputable logic. Possibly bang your head repeatedly against a wall. Wouldn't recommend that last one.

In all seriousness though, that's one of the things that annoys me most about this whole debate. It's a lot like the arguement about how the child of a lesbian couple would have no male influence on it's life. Lesbian does not actually equal man-hater. Most of us do not live in colonies where we never, ever see men. Hell, I'd bet that a good 99.9% of lesbians have a close male friend and/or family member. We have fathers, brothers, uncles, cousins and friends of the male gender. Not so much with the hating of men. And the arguement above, in 3? Look, I know plenty of heterosexual women, bisexual women and so forth, that are with men because they love them. Believe it or not, I also think many of those women would find it preferable to babymake the old school way. Why, some of them don't even want babies and they're *still* with men. Amazing, isn't it? To think that some women choose to be with men just because they like them! But if that were true, wouldn't it completely invalidate the arguement in 3?

Yes. And if *I* can see a hole in your logic, well...

Comments

[hawkeyesmartini.livejournal.com]

I don't think men will disappear from the earth, because you need guys to make the sperm to inseminate women with. And not all spermies are of the X chromosome persuasion - baby men will be born.

I do agree with you about the lesbian not equalling man-hater thing. That idea is just...stupid. Reminds me of a comment my mom made to me once when complaining about my father: "Now I know why so many women choose to be lesbian - they just can't stand men!" Which of course caused me to go WTF!!1! O.O But, my mom is like that and the best thing to do is ignore.

<:3D~

[vampirespider.livejournal.com]

No, no, but the surviving men will be supressed. Because they are no longer nessecary, don't you know?

I don't get it. Humans only really like people they want to sleep with? All right then.

[beehner.livejournal.com]

And so we can conclude that if women can have babies without men-->men will disappear from the face of the earth.

A male friend of mine suggested that it is scientifically possible for women to exist without men on the planet at all. If you do something with combining two eggs together, you get the same number of chromsomes, etc, and voila, baby girl borne of two girls.

Or something.

[vampirespider.livejournal.com]

Well, I don't disagree with that, but still, the idea is vaguely preposterous, because artifical insemination does not = everyone having babies through artificial insemination.
*grins*

[thewayout.livejournal.com]

Okay, let's see here.

I don't want kids. Ever. I like men. Don't want kids.

But if I DID want kids... let's just say for that nine months of suffering, I better damn well have gotten that way having FUN, k?

That, or I'm adopting.

What's funny is that it's all... men will disappear if everyone could get artificially inseminated. WTF? Just because a lesbian doesn't want to get it on with a man, now no one does?

The logic. It baffles.

[vampirespider.livejournal.com]

That debate made logic go boom.

But men are only good for teh babymaking, and so when they're no longer nessecary, AWAY WITH TEH MEN OMG.

At least, that's how I understood it. *headexplodes*

[thewayout.livejournal.com]

That's kinda what it comes off as. Like, if all women could inseminate, they would do it.

WTF, mate?

[vampirespider.livejournal.com]

I know, and the weird part is it was a man saying this. Poor paranoid guy *pets*

[thewayout.livejournal.com]

HAHAHA. Now it makes sense!

[eska-rina.livejournal.com]

O.o

Yeah, because the only reason why not-Lesbian girls are with men is because they want babies... *rolls eyes*

[vampirespider.livejournal.com]

YES! If the men aren't important for teh BABYMAKING, well then, we just don't care any more.

[sarcasticsra]

Ahaha, I am a random person who was reading hawkeyesmartini's flist and I saw your post.

Just thought I'd say that you rock. A lot. ^_^

[vampirespider.livejournal.com]

Hey, thank you! *blushes*

[lattara.livejournal.com]

Wow. The logic of that piece is *astounding*. really.

not.

[vampirespider.livejournal.com]

I know. The mind, it boggles.

[lattara.livejournal.com]

It reminds me of a trial (can't remember the name or the date, which sucks) in America about medical insurance. Or medicaid. or something.

It was ruled that it was not illegal to deny women financial support for abortions on the grounds of discrimination. Because every man who found himself in the same situation would be similarly treated.

[vampirespider.livejournal.com]

*headdeskx10000* I just...how can you sit down and say, well, that's logical and fair! WTF?

[lattara.livejournal.com]

American law is *so* wonderful. Really!